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Old 16-12-2007, 09:11 PM
350LH 350LH is offline
 
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Default Replica Group C Racing

Hey guys,

My first post, just looking to gauge some interest on an idea that I have.

I've always been a fan of the old school group C race cars of years gone by, looking at the current historic category, unless you have an original race car (for which prices have gone through the roof) then there is no way to get involved.

There is considerable interest in these cars (look at the Muscle Car Masters) and as there is no current plans to allow replicas to run in the current class I thought why not draft up some rules to run a replica category? The only place where they would fit would be with the Sports Sedans, but I figure if we have enough people running these cars they could run their own race within the race.

Here is a copy of the rules I have come up with, they are a combination of Group N and IPRA rules. I thought rather than running to the exact rules of the day, allowing freedoms in certain areas, ie brakes, gearbox and diff, plus limited engine mods will make the cars being built a little less fragile and better "race cars". But the cars must be replicas of original race cars, that must look externally as close as possible to the original car.

http://myfreefilehosting.com/f/8aca56fbb5_0.04MB

At this point, I'm just trying to find out if there is enough interest in this idea before I take it any further. Any comments, opinions etc much appreciated..

cheers,

Sam
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Old 18-12-2007, 09:37 PM
Cheetahmk7 Cheetahmk7 is offline
 
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Hey guys,

My first post, just looking to gauge some interest on an idea that I have.

I've always been a fan of the old school group C race cars of years gone by, looking at the current historic category, unless you have an original race car (for which prices have gone through the roof) then there is no way to get involved.
Try having a look at the prices of the Nc Touring cars and Group A touring cars, they are pretty much in the same ballpark. If you want to race in Group C, why not buy one of the smaller capacity Group A cars such as an Escort, which are going for similar money to Nc Toranas?

Group C Escort
http://www.groupc.org.au/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73

Group Nc Torana
http://www.my105.com.au/classified.a...8056&feature=1
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Old 25-12-2007, 10:43 AM
Big Rev Nev Big Rev Nev is offline
 
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Thumbs down No Way !!!!!!

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Hey guys,

My first post, just looking to gauge some interest on an idea that I have.

I've always been a fan of the old school group C race cars of years gone by, looking at the current historic category, unless you have an original race car (for which prices have gone through the roof) then there is no way to get involved.

There is considerable interest in these cars (look at the Muscle Car Masters) and as there is no current plans to allow replicas to run in the current class I thought why not draft up some rules to run a replica category? The only place where they would fit would be with the Sports Sedans, but I figure if we have enough people running these cars they could run their own race within the race.

Here is a copy of the rules I have come up with, they are a combination of Group N and IPRA rules. I thought rather than running to the exact rules of the day, allowing freedoms in certain areas, ie brakes, gearbox and diff, plus limited engine mods will make the cars being built a little less fragile and better "race cars". But the cars must be replicas of original race cars, that must look externally as close as possible to the original car.

http://myfreefilehosting.com/f/8aca56fbb5_0.04MB

At this point, I'm just trying to find out if there is enough interest in this idea before I take it any further. Any comments, opinions etc much appreciated..

cheers,

Sam
350LH,
If you want to race Group C then buy one or race Group N or sports sedans. There is no place for Group A/C replicas in historic racing. Having completed CofD's for a Group A and a Group C car, there is a massive amount of work to prove a car is what it is. Once thats done, it costs allot to race them and keep them true to the period. Historics is for preserving our motor racing history, not polluting it with replica's and/or silloets.
Thanks for your comments and input but its not for me or any of the other guys that have invested plently $ and spend hard earned on keeping it right and on the track.

If you want help finding a car come to the next VHRR meeting and you will receive assistance.

Regards,
Big Rev Nev
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Old 07-02-2008, 03:48 PM
ScottF ScottF is offline
 
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There is no room, and it would be doubtful you would get support from the powers that be to establish another "replica" class (Group S and N being the existing classes) or "cars without competition history" within the historic movement and certainly there is no room for replicas to run with genuine cars in the exisiting Group C/A historic category.

However you could if you had enough support establish a modern (Group 3) category in the same way they have with the current Biante Masters Series (tha National Group N based Group 3 category). This would be a mamoth and very very costly exercise. The other option would be to start small say at state level with as you suggest Sports sedans but i think getting competitors to invest in a car for an unproven category at state level would be a big ask.

I think you would be better off buying the genuine article (many cheaper than the comparable front running group n cars) and sticking with the historic movement.

A Group C/A commodore can be had for around $100 to $150k and when you look at what is being spent on group n that's not bad value. I think building a replica Group C car wouldn't be as cheap as you may first think and as per the group n experience costs would escalate rapidly.
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Old 09-09-2008, 05:38 PM
Rob Tweedie Rob Tweedie is offline
 
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Default REPLICA'S RACING ... no way!

Group N will keep you happy so why not go there ... there has been much said worldwide about replica's ... next minute you will want a robot as an alternative to your wife or girlfriend? Don't we have enough classes racing already without adding more junk!?

Save up amd buy a real one ... it will reward you eventually.
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Old 17-09-2008, 02:58 PM
Bob Jane Fan Bob Jane Fan is offline
 
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Bob

Maybe you should point out your already run one of the quickest Group A cars around and you could easily afford one of the Group C cars if you wanted to.

The point Bob raises exists because traditional historic rules have been tossed out over the last decade with the introduction of new categories into historics, S2000, FF2000 etc. Cars that never raced in Australia, the apparently disgarded old requirement of historic entry.

The precedent has been set, Australian racing hostory has been dis-regarded in other groups, so why not Group N etc. I am not saying I agree with this direction, but Pandoras box is open and it is going to be hard to reverse the trend.

Replicas will happen and will be embraced by a promoter sooner or later, just a matter of who.
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Old 25-09-2009, 04:52 PM
garygekko garygekko is offline
 
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Honestly, the guy was asking about starting up a completely new series not trying to gatecrash your little boys club and polluting it with disgusting and vulgar replicas.
Anyway a lot of your so called genuine cars are like the woodman’s axe- 4 new handles and 2 new heads but still the same old axe.
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Old 30-09-2009, 05:27 PM
Big Rev Nev Big Rev Nev is offline
 
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Honestly, the guy was asking about starting up a completely new series not trying to gatecrash your little boys club and polluting it with disgusting and vulgar replicas.
Anyway a lot of your so called genuine cars are like the woodman’s axe- 4 new handles and 2 new heads but still the same old axe.
Hi GaryGekko,
What historic car(s) do you own? While there are a few cars like Grandpa's axe, the majority are unmolested original cars driven by passionate owners.

If people want to build Group A/C replicas then historic racing isn't for them, there are other categories like Sports Sedans and the Biante Series that promote the building of replicas.

While you refer to it as a 'Boys club', anyone with an historic car is welcome. I offerred to assist 350LH if he wants to find a Group A/C car, come to a meeting and I'll help you also.

Loose the attitude and be productive...lifes more fun.

Nev.
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Old 16-10-2009, 12:57 PM
garygekko garygekko is offline
 
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Default Opinion not attitude

I have a Group A Sierra Cosworth (Rally) and a Alfa 155 BTCC.

I was just pointing out that a couple of posters should have read all of 350LH' thread before they spat the caviar and hit the keyboard.

I also think that if 350LH had a spare $100k plus, he wouldnt need much help parting with it.

Come down from your Ivory tower some time, Nev.....Lifes more fun
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Old 19-10-2009, 10:58 AM
Big Rev Nev Big Rev Nev is offline
 
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Thumbs down Gekko's griping again.....

Only 2 posts, both very critical of others... angry little man aren't you!

Try being constructive, let's all get a long...Life's more fun.

Conversation over!

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I have a Group A Sierra Cosworth (Rally) and a Alfa 155 BTCC.

I was just pointing out that a couple of posters should have read all of 350LH' thread before they spat the caviar and hit the keyboard.

I also think that if 350LH had a spare $100k plus, he wouldnt need much help parting with it.

Come down from your Ivory tower some time, Nev.....Lifes more fun
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