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Club Permit Scheme Information Seminar
On 12th December 2009 the AOMC
conducted a seminar at Monash University to provide an
opportunity for club representatives to clarify issues
regarding the newly released VicRoads final proposals for
changes to the scheme.
Around 150 people attended and John
Lewis and Fergus McDonald from VicRoads were on hand to
answer questions. Questions that related to the Vicroads
proposals for a logbook scheme were dealt with on the basis
of how such a scheme might operate, in the event of the
consultation period resulting in Ministerial approval for a
change.
A number of matters were raised by
attendees and the following is a summary of the main issues
discussed.
Transition to new scheme:
It is envisaged that at the end of the consultation period
(end of January) VicRoads will make recommendations to the
Minister for Roads and if changes are authorised by the
Minister then a period of around twelve months will be
required for the planning and implementation process.
Detailed conversion procedures have not yet been developed.
Vicroads understands that there may be some keenness for
immediate access to a new scheme and means to allow users to
changeover as conveniently as possible will be looked into,
although clearly a wholesale conversion of all users in a
very short time is not feasible.
It is not anticipated that a formal
new application for CPS, with club validation and RWC etc.
will be required for existing users on the scheme. The
period of a permit will remain at one year and a three-year
term (as in SA) is not a possibility.
Club responsibilities:
The process for authorising new club-member vehicles and
annual renewal will remain basically the same as now. Given
that VicRoads are seeking to make changes to allow clubs to
have access to information about vehicles on the scheme, a
new function may be required whereby an annual list from
VicRoads of vehicles on the scheme as authorised by a club
is cross-checked against that club’s own list of authorised
vehicles.
AOMC has identified a further issue
with regard to the use of the Department of Justice Model
Rules for incorporated bodies. In their standard form these
rules do not specify that access to club services and
facilities is dependent on payment of subscriptions. Clubs
that have not adopted suitable clauses to cover this will
need to do so, so that access to the clubs authorisation for
the CPS is tied to financial membership of the club. AOMC
will publish a more detailed analysis of this issue,
together with guidelines for dealing with it, in the near
future.
Clubs will also need to consider how
they will deal with new applications/renewals for CPS by
members whose fees are due but not yet paid for the current
year, this mainly concerns the grace period often granted by
clubs from the time when annual fees fall due and the point
at which a member is considered unfinancial.
Some questions were asked about who
would have access to information on cars on the CPS and
VicRoads advised that this would be restricted in ways to
ensure that only clubs with a valid reason for seeking
information would be have access. A suggestion was made that
the authorising club may be included in the details shown on
the proposed CPS windscreen label.
Clubs will not have responsibility
for how vehicles on CPS are used.
30-year eligibility:
The proposal to change the eligibility age for CPS from 25
to 30 years met with adverse comment from a number of
attendees. Opposition to the idea was based on concerns
about the loss of older vehicles to scrappage due to the
extra time required for surviving examples to become viable
as hobby vehicles. The change was also cited as an obstacle
to entry by younger people into the movement.
Transfer of CPS plates:
Regarding retention of CPS plates on a vehicle upon
transfer, VicRoads responded that a vehicle being
transferred from one owner to another within the same club
could be allowed to retain its CPS plates, as could the
change of a vehicle from one club to another while owned by
the same person. They are opposed to any trade in CPS
plates.
Personalised and old-style
registration plates: A
number of questions were raised concerning continued use of
full registration plates (eg. personalised or old-style
numbers related to the vehicles period) when a vehicle
transfers to the CPS. VicRoads will not support such
continued use as it is contrary to the difference between
the vehicle being on a permit as opposed to full
registration. This is central to the exemption from stamp
duty. It is also a requirement of lawenforcement agencies
that vehicles be clearly identifiable by their plates as
being on the CPS. The plate records the permit number and
for this reason a personalised form of CPS plate is also not
possible.
Owner/driver responsibilities:
As at present, the CPS will recognise two entities. The
owner whose responsibilty is to ensure that the vehicle is
put on the scheme according to the rules (eg. re current
membership of a club etc), that the annual fees are paid,
that the windscreen sticker is in place etc. The driver will
be responsible for proper completion of logbook details for
each day’s use. A driver is not required to be a member of a
club.
Learner drivers:
Learner drivers will be permitted to use CPS vehicles –with
proper supervision and relevant logbook entry.
Log book details:
Details of the precise information to be completed have yet
to be determined, however it is not intended to make them
excessively detailed nor to include information not
necessarily known, such as destination. If use of a vehicle
extends beyond midnight on a given day then a second log
book entry (and day’s use) is required for the second day.
Modified vehicles:
Further work is scheduled on this matter, with a view to
seeking a Code of Practice for pre-1969 vehicles under which
certain clubs may be able to sanction modifications within a
defined range. This is intended to cover the majority of
modifications that many older vehicles have acquired over
time or which have become commonly adopted means of dealing
with design deficiencies or parts availability problems. The
intention is to avoid placing a large number of vehicles
under the cost and technical burdens of compliance with
regulations designed for more modern vehicles and/or more
extensively performance-modified. AOMC will set up a working
party to undertake development of this Code, which will then
be subject to review and acceptance by VicRoads’ technical
and safety authorities. It is hoped to conduct this work
during the time that a planning for implementation of a new
CPS is underway.
Costs:
Vicroads confirm that under a log book system the current
permit fee will remain the same (subject to normal CPI
adjustments etc.). The 45-day permit charge will be half
that of the 90-day option. TAC has advised that their
component will remain unchanged for the 90-day permit, with
the 45-day charge to be advised. AOMC reported that RACV
Insurance has advised that their Veteran, Vintage and
Classic policy charge for vehicles on CPS will remain
unchanged as a result of a change to a log book scheme.
Shannons have provided verbal advice that they anticipate no
change for currently insured vehicles on CPS, with only a
maximum 15% increase in some cases of more modern vehicles
going onto CPS where they perceive a potential for greater
usage under a new scheme.
Interstate use:
Victorian CPS vehicles when used in other states will be
legal if used as required in Victoria, including proper
completion of log book details. The previous difficulty in
Western Australian recognition of the Vic scheme is believed
to be now overcome but this will be confirmed.
Rod Amos
RED PLATE SEMINAR
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Monash University on Saturday 12th December.
The
meeting called by the AOMC to give member car clubs the
opportunity to raise any questions concerning the proposed
changes to the Club Permit Scheme directly with
representatives from Vicroads. The meeting was ably chaired
by the AOMC Vice Chairman, Rod Amos from the Vintage Sports
Car Club, who is the AOMC spokesman on all CPS matters with
Vicroads. There were about 200 attendees.
The CPS commenced in 1960 and had its first
review in 9/05 and a second review in 4/06 this second
review recorded an 87% approval for the revisions then under
consideration. A subsequent review during 08 raised that
figure to 91% approval and it is now suggested the figure
would be higher due to further considerations by the
Federation of Vintage and Classic Car Clubs
The Proposal for Revision document recently
released by Vicroads indicated a possible introduction of
the new scheme in late 2010. but if the
scheme requires amendments to the Road Safety [Vehicles]
Regulations 2009 are required a delay of between 8 and 14
months may occur. This does not include any ministerial
changes that may cause further delays after the next state
elections.
Surprisingly there was not a lot of
discussion on the 45 vs 90 day proposals. There were areas
that raised the majority of the questions.
Log Books – They
will be issued by Vicroads whenever CPS permits are issued
or renewed and will be priced at Vicroads cost. However if a
45 day book is issued it may attract an $18.00 penalty.
Logbook entries other than the CPS vehicle details are not
yet finalized. It was suggested that daily user details will
not be excessive with only date and departure location
details required [no destination] before commencing the
journey. This will be the drivers responsibility. There will
be no restriction on user driver other than the current
rules for learners in left hand drive CPS vehicles. One area
where the permit renewal could present a problem is when the
renewal is processed on the due date at any Vicroads office.
Their various offices will not carry the log books, they
must come from head office. To overcome this possibility,
pay your renewals early. You may be financial within your
club, you have paid the renewal but without the new logbook
the vehicle is not useable until the new logbook has
arrived. The logbooks may be pocket size and possibly
waterproof so that they are also suitable for motor cycles.
Replicas –
This is still a grey area and Vicroads may
establish a recognition panel. In
my opinion there is no such thing as true replica, [only
modified replicas] the components and materials available
today exceed those available 25 plus years ago - but my
opinions do not matter
As a matter of interest it is recorded in the
“Minutes of Inaugural Meeting of the Historic Racing
Register” dated April 21st 1971 item 8 in
part reads “Some discussion took place on the question of
replicas and the general feeling on this was that they would
have to be Proper and Authentic Replicas to qualify.
There was reference to modified replicas.
Refer to the Proposal for Revision document for additional
information. A similar situation exists with other modified
vehicles, minor changes are unlikely to be questioned ie
brakes improvements etc.
Number Plates and Labels –
If a CPS car is sold to another member of the
same club the plates can be transferred. If the CPS owner
transfers to another club the plates can be retained.
Different owner and different club, or no club, means that
plates are not transferrable. The “rego” label design
is not finalized at this time but it is almost certain they
will be distinctive when introduced.
From 2013 all vehicles will all be on the one
Vicroads database this should allow clubs to confirm
membership usage and possible fraudulent authorizations.
Note -
Infringements, of any type, by CPS operators
may result in either the operator or CLUB being removed from
the scheme. There are other areas where similar systems are
used and these come under the Vicroads control. They are the
Street Rods and some Rally Car groups.
Conclusion – Three hours of useful
discussion, but it was a pity that some attendees had not
read the Proposal for Revision carefully resulting in a few
unnecessary questions, or maybe clarification.
Note -
As
required under the Proposal for Revision the VHRR will
respond on behalf of all members with CPS vehicles to
support the various sections of the proposals before
29.01.2010, CPS vehicle owners are welcome to contact me on
0415 351 164 should you have any questions or points for
discussion, but please read the proposal document in full
first. It is on the club website.
A draft of the proposed VHRR club response
letter follows. CPS participants comments are welcome.
Lloyd Shaw – 22.12.09
"To – Club Permit Review
Etc Etc
Re – Proposal for revision of the Victorian
Club Permit Scheme.
The Victorian Historic Racing Register (VHRR)
is a member of The Association of Motoring Clubs Inc (AOMC)
and The Confederation of Australian Motor Sports (CAMS)
The VHRR was formed in 1972 and currently has
412 members including those who have 94 eligible vehicles
operating within the current Club Permit Scheme (CPS).
Following the notice published in The Sun on
Friday November 20th 2009. The VHRR contacted
those operating within the CPS requesting conformation of
acceptance of points raised throughout various discussions
on the revised CPS and those detailed in the current
“Proposal for the revision of the Victorian Club Permit
Scheme” discussion paper.
Responses received confirm acceptance of the
revisions with specific reference to some areas. Noting that
the revised scheme’s central feature is the usage of log
books our members all recommend only the 90 day proposal and
confirm that log books be available from VicRoads and only
after the usual validations by the members club secretary or
authorised person.
Access to the VicRoads records should be
available to either of those mentioned above, and only, if
possible irregularities or forgeries be suspected.
Urgent action is required for the
introduction on the revised scheme. Our members are
concerned that should there be a change of State Government
sometime during 2010 a change of Minister could further
delay the commencement date by requiring additional
amendments and further discussions."
Vehicles operated under the CLUB
PERMIT SCHEME allow the use of unregistered vehicles for
club purposes. Refer to your Green Books.
The Club Permit Scheme is only available to VHRR financial
members. If you have not renewed your membership your permit
plated vehicles cannot be used after July 1st 2010. If your
car is not on the list, maybe your permit has expired. If
you have sold your car or the details are incorrect please
contact Lloyd Shaw on 0415 351 164.
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