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Club Permit Scheme Information Seminar


On 12th December 2009 the AOMC conducted a seminar at Monash University to provide an opportunity for club representatives to clarify issues regarding the newly released VicRoads final proposals for changes to the scheme.

Around 150 people attended and John Lewis and Fergus McDonald from VicRoads were on hand to answer questions. Questions that related to the Vicroads proposals for a logbook scheme were dealt with on the basis of how such a scheme might operate, in the event of the consultation period resulting in Ministerial approval for a change.

A number of matters were raised by attendees and the following is a summary of the main issues discussed.

Transition to new scheme: It is envisaged that at the end of the consultation period (end of January) VicRoads will make recommendations to the Minister for Roads and if changes are authorised by the Minister then a period of around twelve months will be required for the planning and implementation process. Detailed conversion procedures have not yet been developed. Vicroads understands that there may be some keenness for immediate access to a new scheme and means to allow users to changeover as conveniently as possible will be looked into, although clearly a wholesale conversion of all users in a very short time is not feasible.

It is not anticipated that a formal new application for CPS, with club validation and RWC etc. will be required for existing users on the scheme. The period of a permit will remain at one year and a three-year term (as in SA) is not a possibility.

Club responsibilities: The process for authorising new club-member vehicles and annual renewal will remain basically the same as now. Given that VicRoads are seeking to make changes to allow clubs to have access to information about vehicles on the scheme, a new function may be required whereby an annual list from VicRoads of vehicles on the scheme as authorised by a club is cross-checked against that club’s own list of authorised vehicles.

AOMC has identified a further issue with regard to the use of the Department of Justice Model Rules for incorporated bodies. In their standard form these rules do not specify that access to club services and facilities is dependent on payment of subscriptions. Clubs that have not adopted suitable clauses to cover this will need to do so, so that access to the clubs authorisation for the CPS is tied to financial membership of the club. AOMC will publish a more detailed analysis of this issue, together with guidelines for dealing with it, in the near future.

Clubs will also need to consider how they will deal with new applications/renewals for CPS by members whose fees are due but not yet paid for the current year, this mainly concerns the grace period often granted by clubs from the time when annual fees fall due and the point at which a member is considered unfinancial.

Some questions were asked about who would have access to information on cars on the CPS and VicRoads advised that this would be restricted in ways to ensure that only clubs with a valid reason for seeking information would be have access. A suggestion was made that the authorising club may be included in the details shown on the proposed CPS windscreen label.

Clubs will not have responsibility for how vehicles on CPS are used.

30-year eligibility: The proposal to change the eligibility age for CPS from 25 to 30 years met with adverse comment from a number of attendees. Opposition to the idea was based on concerns about the loss of older vehicles to scrappage due to the extra time required for surviving examples to become viable as hobby vehicles. The change was also cited as an obstacle to entry by younger people into the movement.

Transfer of CPS plates: Regarding retention of CPS plates on a vehicle upon transfer, VicRoads responded that a vehicle being transferred from one owner to another within the same club could be allowed to retain its CPS plates, as could the change of a vehicle from one club to another while owned by the same person. They are opposed to any trade in CPS plates.

Personalised and old-style registration plates: A number of questions were raised concerning continued use of full registration plates (eg. personalised or old-style numbers related to the vehicles period) when a vehicle transfers to the CPS. VicRoads will not support such continued use as it is contrary to the difference between the vehicle being on a permit as opposed to full registration. This is central to the exemption from stamp duty. It is also a requirement of lawenforcement agencies that vehicles be clearly identifiable by their plates as being on the CPS. The plate records the permit number and for this reason a personalised form of CPS plate is also not possible.

Owner/driver responsibilities: As at present, the CPS will recognise two entities. The owner whose responsibilty is to ensure that the vehicle is put on the scheme according to the rules (eg. re current membership of a club etc), that the annual fees are paid, that the windscreen sticker is in place etc. The driver will be responsible for proper completion of logbook details for each day’s use. A driver is not required to be a member of a club.

Learner drivers: Learner drivers will be permitted to use CPS vehicles –with proper supervision and relevant logbook entry.

Log book details: Details of the precise information to be completed have yet to be determined, however it is not intended to make them excessively detailed nor to include information not necessarily known, such as destination. If use of a vehicle extends beyond midnight on a given day then a second log book entry (and day’s use) is required for the second day.

Modified vehicles: Further work is scheduled on this matter, with a view to seeking a Code of Practice for pre-1969 vehicles under which certain clubs may be able to sanction modifications within a defined range. This is intended to cover the majority of modifications that many older vehicles have acquired over time or which have become commonly adopted means of dealing with design deficiencies or parts availability problems. The intention is to avoid placing a large number of vehicles under the cost and technical burdens of compliance with regulations designed for more modern vehicles and/or more extensively performance-modified. AOMC will set up a working party to undertake development of this Code, which will then be subject to review and acceptance by VicRoads’ technical and safety authorities. It is hoped to conduct this work during the time that a planning for implementation of a new CPS is underway.

Costs: Vicroads confirm that under a log book system the current permit fee will remain the same (subject to normal CPI adjustments etc.). The 45-day permit charge will be half that of the 90-day option. TAC has advised that their component will remain unchanged for the 90-day permit, with the 45-day charge to be advised. AOMC reported that RACV Insurance has advised that their Veteran, Vintage and Classic policy charge for vehicles on CPS will remain unchanged as a result of a change to a log book scheme. Shannons have provided verbal advice that they anticipate no change for currently insured vehicles on CPS, with only a maximum 15% increase in some cases of more modern vehicles going onto CPS where they perceive a potential for greater usage under a new scheme.

Interstate use: Victorian CPS vehicles when used in other states will be legal if used as required in Victoria, including proper completion of log book details. The previous difficulty in Western Australian recognition of the Vic scheme is believed to be now overcome but this will be confirmed.

Rod Amos


RED PLATE SEMINAR

Monash University on Saturday 12th December.


The meeting called by the AOMC to give member car clubs the opportunity to raise any questions concerning the proposed changes to the Club Permit Scheme directly with representatives from Vicroads. The meeting was ably chaired by the AOMC Vice Chairman, Rod Amos from the Vintage Sports Car Club, who is the AOMC spokesman on all CPS matters with Vicroads. There were about 200 attendees.

The CPS commenced in 1960 and had its first review in 9/05 and a second review in 4/06 this second review recorded an 87% approval for the revisions then under consideration. A subsequent review during 08 raised that figure to 91% approval and it is now suggested the figure would be higher due to further considerations by the Federation of Vintage and Classic Car Clubs

The Proposal for Revision document recently released by Vicroads indicated a possible introduction of the new scheme in late 2010.  but   if the scheme requires amendments to the Road Safety [Vehicles] Regulations 2009 are required a delay of between 8 and 14 months may occur. This does not include any ministerial changes that may cause further delays after the next state elections.

Surprisingly there was not a lot of discussion on the 45 vs 90 day proposals. There were areas that raised the majority of the questions. 

Log Books – They will be issued by Vicroads whenever CPS permits are issued or renewed and will be priced at Vicroads cost. However if a 45 day book is issued it may attract an $18.00 penalty.  Logbook entries other than the CPS vehicle details are not yet finalized. It was suggested that daily user details will not be excessive with only date and departure location details required [no destination] before commencing the journey. This will be the drivers responsibility. There will be no restriction on user driver other than the current rules for learners in left hand drive CPS vehicles. One area where the permit renewal could present a problem is when the renewal is processed on the due date at any Vicroads office. Their various offices will not carry the log books, they must come from head office. To overcome this possibility, pay your renewals early. You may be financial within your club, you have paid the renewal but without the new logbook the vehicle is not useable until the new logbook has arrived. The logbooks may be pocket size and possibly waterproof so that they are also suitable for motor cycles.

Replicas – This is still a grey area and Vicroads may establish a recognition panel. In my opinion there is no such thing as true replica, [only modified replicas] the components and materials available today exceed those available 25 plus years ago - but my opinions do not matter

As a matter of interest it is recorded in the “Minutes of Inaugural Meeting of the Historic Racing Register” dated April 21st 1971 item 8 in part reads “Some discussion took place on the question of replicas and the general feeling on this was that they would have to be Proper and Authentic Replicas to qualify.  

There was reference to modified replicas. Refer to the Proposal for Revision document for additional information. A similar situation exists with other modified vehicles, minor changes are unlikely to be questioned ie brakes improvements etc.

 

Number Plates and Labels – If a CPS car is sold to another member of the same club the plates can be transferred. If the CPS owner transfers to another club the plates can be retained. Different owner and different club, or no club, means that plates are not transferrable. The “rego” label design is not finalized at this time but it is almost certain they will be distinctive when introduced.

From 2013 all vehicles will all be on the one Vicroads database this should allow clubs to confirm membership usage and possible fraudulent authorizations.

 

Note - Infringements, of any type, by CPS operators may result in either the operator or CLUB being removed from the scheme. There are other areas where similar systems are used and these come under the Vicroads control. They are the Street Rods and some Rally Car groups.

Conclusion – Three hours of useful discussion, but it was a pity that some attendees had not read the Proposal for Revision carefully resulting in a few unnecessary questions, or maybe clarification.

Note -  As required under the Proposal for Revision the VHRR will respond on behalf of all members with CPS vehicles to support the various sections of the proposals before 29.01.2010, CPS vehicle owners are welcome to contact me on 0415 351 164 should you have any questions or points for discussion, but please read the proposal document in full first. It is on the club website.

 

A draft of the proposed VHRR club response letter follows. CPS participants comments are welcome.

Lloyd Shaw – 22.12.09  


"To – Club Permit Review

Etc  Etc

 

Re – Proposal for revision of the Victorian Club Permit Scheme.

 

The Victorian Historic Racing Register (VHRR) is a member of The Association of Motoring Clubs Inc (AOMC) and The Confederation of Australian Motor Sports (CAMS)

 

The VHRR was formed in 1972 and currently has 412 members including those who have 94 eligible vehicles operating within the current Club Permit Scheme (CPS).

 

Following the notice published in The Sun on Friday November 20th 2009. The VHRR contacted those operating within the CPS requesting conformation of acceptance of points raised throughout various discussions on the revised CPS and those detailed in the current “Proposal for the revision of the Victorian Club Permit Scheme” discussion paper.

 

Responses received confirm acceptance of the revisions with specific reference to some areas. Noting that the revised scheme’s central feature is the usage of log books our members all recommend only the 90 day proposal and confirm that log books be available from VicRoads and only after the usual validations by the members club secretary or authorised person.

 

Access to the VicRoads records should be available to either of those mentioned above, and only, if possible irregularities or forgeries be suspected.

 

Urgent action is required for the introduction on the revised scheme. Our members are concerned that should there be a change of State Government sometime during 2010 a change of Minister could further delay the commencement date by requiring additional amendments and further discussions."


Vehicles operated under the CLUB PERMIT SCHEME allow the use of unregistered vehicles for club purposes. Refer to your Green Books. The Club Permit Scheme is only available to VHRR financial members. If you have not renewed your membership your permit plated vehicles cannot be used after July 1st 2008. If your car is not on the list, maybe your permit has expired. If you have sold your car or the details are incorrect please contact Lloyd Shaw on 0415 351 164.


00045 H	1955 Rover
00162 H	1981 RX 7
00231 H	1974 Porsche
00241 H	1969 Hillman
00269 H	1979 Porsche
00439 H	1970 Bedford Bus
00995 H	1966 H Isuzu Bus
01018 H	1976 Porsche
01113 H	1960 Elva
01886 H	1959 Lotus 7
01983 H	1981 Commodore
01991 H	1938 Bugatti
02009 H	1961 Lotus 7
02242 H	1937 Morris 8 Spl
CH 0955	1954 FJ Holden
CH 1136	1959 MG A
CH 1465	1960 Triumph
CH 1777	1956 Vauxhall Spl
CH 1913 	1962 Triumph
CH 1949	1964 Healey Sprite
CH 2871	1962 A/Healey 3000
CH 2985	1960 MG B Roadster
CH 3063	1962 Jaguar
CH 3508	1968 Alfa Romeo
CH 3574	1951 Buick
CH 3581	1962 Ford Clubman
CH 3693	1955 Austin A 90
CH 3818	1961 Lotus
CH 3882	1961 Chimera C/man
CH 3954	1946 Jaguar Mk4
CH 3995	1955 Auscar Holden
CH 4197	1955 Austin Healey
CH 4775	1930 BSA Sports
CH 4860	1933 Sunbeam
CH 4948	1954 Austin Healey
CH 4995	1959 Ford
CH 5103	1927 Salmson
CH 5210	1964 Porsche 904
CH 5503	1968 Ford
CH 5555	1971 Datsun 240Z

 

CH 5647	1974 Porsche
CH 6366	1968 Holden
CH 6434	1957 MG A Coupe
CH 6603	1976 Porsche
CH 6798	1972 Torana
CH 6802	Lotus 7
CH 6830	Shelby Ford  
CH 6976 	1976 Alfa Romeo
CH 6995	1939 Ford Sports
CH 7142	1973 Leyland
CH 7218	1972 Torana
CH 7251	1976 Porsce 934
CH 7270	1973 Porsche
CH 7270	1973 Porsche 911
CH 7665	1964 Mini Cooper
CH 7806	1951 Jaguar
CH 7962	1966 Porsche 906
CH 8167	1934 Morgan
CH 8374	1978 AC ME3000
CH 8403	1937 MG Sa
CH 8407	Replica GT 40
CH 8421	1978 Lotus
CH 8498	1967 Porsche
CH 8567	??  Maserati
CH 8606	1939 Plymouth
CH 8733	1981 Mazda RX 7
CH 8770	1977 Jaguar XJC
CH 8847	1970 NSU
CH 9133	1959 Buc/Cobra
CH 9135	1978 Holden S/W
CH 9136	1974 Torana
CH 9144	1976 Daimler
CH 9194	1969 Rambler
CH 9560	1970 Holden
CH 9876	1930 Ford Roadster
CH 9884	1973 Holden
CH 9909	1966 Shelby Ford
NEW	1975 Porsche 911
V 4355	29/27 Bugatti Holden
V 4940	1929 Riley Roadster
V 4972	1928 Riley

 


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